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Why our members don’t have to notify SUISA whether their works are on Youtube

Why our members don’t have to notify SUISA whether their works are on Youtube
Mein Werk auf Youtube: Keine spezifische Meldung an die SUISA nötig.
Photo: Manu Leuenberger
Text by Manu Leuenberger
Members have recently asked us along the lines of ‘how, where and when can I tell SUISA that my works are on YouTube’. We explain in the following reply to a member's query why authors do not have to notify SUISA whether their works are available on the video platform.

“I reckon it might be difficult for SUISA to track all videos of Swiss artists [on YouTube]. I take it that this won’t happen automatically. Is it therefore necessary that I inform SUISA of a video where I am the author and for which I want to get the relevant royalties?”

Automatic reporting between SUISA and YouTube

Authors do not need to send notifications on their works on YouTube. YouTube and SUISA have an automatic reporting in place. Said reporting takes place in two steps and the process – in simplified terms – is based on the following principle:

YouTube periodically provides SUISA with basic usage data in an electronic format. The list is called: “Masterlist”. Said list contains details on the videos that have been played via YouTube. Further details are included on the used music in the respective video, if these are known to YouTube. These details provided by YouTube consist of work / song title, artist name(s), album title plus optional additional details such as label, ISRC/ISWC no. or UPC.

Based on these details, SUISA defines the repertoire it represents. In other words: The “Masterlist” is compared to the SUISA works database. Works whose rights are represented by SUISA, are marked on the list. After that, SUISA notifies YouTube for which works on the “Masterlist” SUISA is entitled to receive royalties.

Based on this information, YouTube knows that the copyright for the marked videos must be paid out to SUISA. Only now can the second step in the reporting process take place: YouTube creates reports on music use which contain the number of clicks as well as details on the relevant income. The remuneration paid by YouTube is made up of a part of the income generated by advertising. YouTube transfers the money to SUISA. Based on the information saved in the SUISA works database, the distribution to rights holders is made.

Similar reporting principle for radio and TV

The underlying principle for the YouTube process is comparable to the broadcast reports of radio and TV stations. Most broadcasters work with digital systems today. With these systems, they create reporting logs in file format and transfer them electronically to SUISA. SUISA then carries out the matching of the works database and allocates the royalties to the authors and publishers entitled to receive a payment.

In the case of radio and TV stations, members basically do not need to notify SUISA when their song is played either. It suffices if the work has been correctly declared once with SUISA, and has subsequently been registered in the works database. The reporting between users, such as the broadcasters in this example, and SUISA takes place via (often automated) reports on music use.

Special case YouTube: Data volume and data quality

Compared to the well-established system of broadcast reports by radio/TV stations, some new and difficult questions must be answered when developing a reporting system with YouTube, the currently biggest video platform in the world.

One significant difference between YouTube and the reporting with customers such as radio/TV broadcasters is the data quality: In the case of radio and TV, the music databases are often administered by music editors. The more precisely the databases have been maintained, the more correct the details on the played song titles on the broadcast logs. The contents on YouTube, however, are mostly uploaded by private users. In the case of such “user generated content”, less diligence is usually applied in terms of the details of the used material. As a consequence, the quality of the available data on the YouTube usages is correspondingly low at times.

The enormous data volume poses another challenge: The repertoire used on YouTube is that of radio/TV stations, but many times over. YouTube indicates that currently 100 hours of video material are uploaded to YouTube per minute. According to the same statistics, 1 billion individual users are said to consume more than 6 billion hours of videos on YouTube per month, on average. The following applies: 1 user watches 1 video = 1 use which would have to be notified in principle. In the case of SUISA this applies for users who watch videos from computers with a Swiss IP address.

Customer reporting crucial for the correct distribution

In light of these huge masses of videos, SUISA depends on an automatic reporting by YouTube. SUISA does not have the resources to track individual videos of Swiss artists on the platform. SUISA does – as with all its customers – endeavour in collaboration with the licensee to develop a best possible reporting in terms of correctness and comprehensiveness, as long as this seems reasonable in relation to the administrative effort. Only then can SUISA pay its rightsholders what they are due in terms of royalties.

5 responses to “Why our members don’t have to notify SUISA whether their works are on Youtube

  1. Linus Walter says:

    Verstehe ich das richtig, für unsere YouTube-Inhalte, die ausserhalb der Schweiz abgespielt werden, erhalten wir nichts?
    Oder habe ich das falsch verstanden?

    1. Manu Leuenberger says:

      Lieber Linus
      Zuerst einmal bitten wir für unsere verspätete Antwort um Entschuldigung.
      Zu Deiner Frage: Durch den Vertrag mit Youtube ist das Repertoire der SUISA-Mitglieder für die Nutzung auf der Video-Plattform in einer Vielzahl von Ländern lizenziert (siehe dazu auch unsere Medienmitteilung zum Vertragsabschluss vom 25.9.2013 Konkret gilt der Vertrag neben Nutzer-Zugriffen von Schweizer IP-Adressen auch für Zugriffe u.a. aus dem Gebiet der EU, EFTA, EWR und weiteren Ländern ausserhalb der Schweiz. Für Nutzungen in diesen vertraglich vereinbarten Ländern werden allfällige Vergütungen von Youtube direkt an die SUISA ausbezahlt und von uns an die Rechteinhaber weitergeleitet.
      Nochmals sorry für die späte Antwort und viele Grüsse
      Manu Leuenberger / Kommunikation SUISA

  2. Marco says:

    I have a key question after reading this article, about the sentence:
    “In the case of SUISA this applies for users who watch videos from computers with a Swiss IP address.”
    This means that I can retrieve money only from the cliks that come from Switzerland? What happens with the clicks coming from the rest of the world?
    Thank you in advance for clarifying

    1. Manu Leuenberger says:

      The agreement with YouTube covers the repertoire of SUISA members for the exploitation via the video platform in many countries. In particular, the agreement governs user access from Swiss IP addresses as well as access from the EU region, EFTA, EEA and other countries outside of Switzerland. For exploitations in these territories included in the contractual arrangements, remuneration is paid by YouTube to SUISA and we pass this remuneration on to the rights holders.
      Manu Leuenberger / SUISA communication department

  3. Roger Rüegg says:

    Ich bin Musiker und Komponist. Ich ärgere mich immer wieder wenn ich ein Video von der Musikprobe von meinem Kollegen und mir auf Youtube lade und es dann einen Einspruch gibt. Warum ? Egal ob ich ein Video mit meinen Eigenkompositionen hochlade oder von andern Komponisten, wenn man dann den Einspruch überprüft, so muss ich feststellen, dass praktisch jedes Musikstück mit einem falsch Titel angegeben wird.
    Zuerst glaubte ich, dass vielleicht das Musikstück ähnlich klingt, aber nein, nicht mal der Unterschied zwischen Walzer und Polka wird korrekt erkannt und wenn man das andere Stück im Internet sucht und anhört, so hat es keine Spur einer Ähnlichkeit mit dem beanstandetem Musikstück.
    Bei Youtube gibts keine richtigen Ansprechpartner um dies zu melden.
    Ich stelle fest, das Youtube die Schweizer Ländlermusik nicht identifizieren kann und das sollte Youtube einmal selber überprüfen.
    z.B. “Uf dä Musikinsel Rheinau” Polka wird als “Bi’s Jägger Hannes” Walzer deklariert.

    Freundliche Grüsse
    Roger Rüegg

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